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Age · Oct 14, 2007, 08:23 PM // 20:23

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Originally Posted by Simath

Shield of Regeneration is still going to do almost nothing to stop a spike. Doesn't matter if you see it or not. Using SoR to stop a spike when there are numerous other skills that can accomplish it more efficiently and effectively is stupid.

First off if you only have chapter one there really isn't much in the way of elites to do this.Yes I would use PoS over SoR but when someone is down to or below 50% health what is there.Secondly there really isn't that great of a selection in Monk protection elites except a few which are Life Barrier, RC and Divert Hexes the rest are supbar to the non elites.There is only a few select elites in the whole Monk line that are good those being.

Devine Favour:Spell Breaker for no 1 and Blessed Light.
Healing Prayers:Word of Healing and Light of Deliverance.
Protection Prayers:Life Barrier,Restore Conditions and Divert Hexes.
Smiting Prayers:Shield of Judgment.

Monks don't have their very own energy management which they should and I made a mention of this in Sardalac suggest forum.When you think about Monks don't have great elites like other professions do.I would point out one thing this is a PvE forum so don't bring that PvP elitist attitude in here.

Simath · Oct 14, 2007, 09:03 PM // 21:03

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Originally Posted by Age

Monks don't have their very own energy management which they should and I made a mention of this in Sardalac suggest forum.When you think about Monks don't have great elites like other professions do.I would point out one thing this is a PvE forum so don't bring that PvP elitist attitude in here.

Wrong. Monks do have their very own e-management. It's called Sig of Rejuvenation, Sig of Devotion, Divine Spirit, Air of Enchantment, Blessed Signet, Boon Signet, Healer's Covenant, Castigation Signet, and Defender's Zeal. Did I forget any.?

And what is this "PvP Elitist Attitude" that you speak of. Just because I mention SoR is ineffective at stopping spikes and I have a PvP guild in my profile makes me a PvP Elitist?

Age · Oct 14, 2007, 09:26 PM // 21:26

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Originally Posted by Simath

Wrong. Monks do have their very own e-management. It's called Sig of Rejuvenation, Sig of Devotion, Divine Spirit, Air of Enchantment, Blessed Signet, Boon Signet, Healer's Covenant, Castigation Signet, and Defender's Zeal. Did I forget any.?

And what is this "PvP Elitist Attitude" that you speak of. Just because I mention SoR is ineffective at stopping spikes and I have a PvP guild in my profile makes me a PvP Elitist?

Those are all bad in form of e-management Sig of Rejuv. is Healing.DS in nice put last only so long.Air Enchantment needs smiting for that,Blessed Signet is for a bonder only.Boon signet is not great,Healer Covenant in linked to healing and Castigation and Defenders Seal is linked to smiting.There really is only two Signet of Devotion and the other is not favoured and that is Peace and Harmony.

What I mean by PvP Elitist attitude is your first post and the last word used in it.you seem just because you pvp you know everything about monking maybe in pvp but in pve it is a different game altogether.It is more challenging and there is no voice comms.I am a PuG Monk and I have to protect or heal the worst of groups and I really don't get along with a complete party of H/H.

I may put SoR on my bar but it possibly would never get used as non elites are far better only reason I would use it is if the Elementalist got to close to the front lines and was taking damage.I for the most part only use 3 skills RoF.Condition remover and PoS.

Tarzanboy · Oct 14, 2007, 10:15 PM // 22:15

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Originally Posted by Simath

Wrong. Monks do have their very own e-management. It's called Sig of Rejuvenation, Sig of Devotion, Divine Spirit, Air of Enchantment, Blessed Signet, Boon Signet, Healer's Covenant, Castigation Signet, and Defender's Zeal. Did I forget any.?

If you're not bonding or farming, chances are you won't be using Blessed Signet, Essense Bond or Balth's Spirit. Castigation Signet is nice, if you are smiting, but otherwise requires you to be a little too personal with the enemy for healing/prot work. Signet of Rejuvenation and Signet of Devotion are nice, but they aren't really granting you energy as opposed to preventing you from using it. I don't know anyone that uses Defender's Zeal, Boon Signet or Healer's Covenant.

I think that Age was pointing out that unless you are bonding, farming or smiting, the native monk e-management is passive in that you manage your energy through conservation and skills that reflect the situation. Most of these revolve around common sense, such as not spamming Reversal of Fortune/Dwayna's Kiss/Words of Comfort on every player that looses a little health mid-fight and using Mend Condition/Dismiss Condition/Mending Touch to remove conditions off of 1 or two players rather than using Healing Breeze or Extinguish.

Anyways, hopefully this "update" for SoD is as short lived as the Rit exhaustion nerf, because neither SoD nor SoR will be found on bar until they improve.

Cheers,
TB

Simath · Oct 14, 2007, 10:20 PM // 22:20

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Originally Posted by Age

What I mean by PvP Elitist attitude is your first post and the last word used in it.you seem just because you pvp you know everything about monking maybe in pvp but in pve it is a different game altogether.It is more challenging and there is no voice comms.I am a PuG Monk and I have to protect or heal the worst of groups and I really don't get along with a complete party of H/H.

So whenever someone says skill X is crap and that there are more efficient skills to put in its place it means they are an elitist? Should I just let you give other players awful advice?

And honestly PvE is more challenging that PvP? Are you playing the same game I am?

mrsmiles · Oct 14, 2007, 11:13 PM // 23:13

air of enchantment is actually in protection not smiting

Kale Ironfist · Oct 15, 2007, 01:05 AM // 01:05

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Originally Posted by Age

Those are all bad in form of e-management

Wait... Signet of Rejuvenation... bad energy management? Do some mathematics on the long term effect of having less of an energy burden. There is no problem putting attribute points into Healing Prayers either, as the best non-smite Monk templates utilise both Healing Prayers and Protection Prayers.

The only problem with using SoR is that it conflicts with Gift of Health. Given that PvE is more forgiving, I see no problem on that account.

Coloneh · Oct 15, 2007, 02:12 AM // 02:12

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Originally Posted by mrsmiles

air of enchantment is actually in protection not smiting

we know this. he meant that it was useless without [skill]Zealot's Fire[/skill]

Avarre · Oct 15, 2007, 04:04 AM // 04:04

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Originally Posted by Age

you seem just because you pvp you know everything about monking maybe in pvp but in pve it is a different game altogether.It is more challenging and there is no voice comms.

OH WOW.

The best bars for PvE monking are PvP-spawned bars. This is because those bars have the most versatility using the best skills for the job, and can be tweaked slightly to fit any situation.

Also, PvE monking is easy, because you can red-bar it and still do well. Mobs will not do any of the things that players do to fake/pressure out monks. Considering the quality of H/H, I would suggest the reason you can't 'get along' with them, and still find things difficult in a human group, is because you are not playing as effectively as you could.

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There really is only two Signet of Devotion and the other is not favoured and that is Peace and Harmony.

Signet of Devotion is trash. It's just another skill that heals with no versatility, it's slow, and the numbers on it aren't great. Due to the cast speed, you're only really using it to top up health bars - a job better suited to LoD. On a single target taking damage, there are many more efficient skills for healing large quantities - RoF, GoH, DKiss, etc.

Energy management for monks is efficient skill usage - well-targeted and timed prots, efficient heals for damage going through, and off-monk defensive support reducing the workload.

Snow Bunny · Oct 15, 2007, 05:16 AM // 05:16

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Originally Posted by Age

but in pve it is a different game altogether.It is more challenging and there is no voice comms.I am a PuG Monk and I have to protect or heal the worst of groups and I really don't get along with a complete party of H/H.

"In pve it is more challenging".

Wow.

This post wipes any credibility from your stance on the argument.

Like Avarre said, the best PvE monk bars are adaptations of PvP bars...so...

yeah.

moko · Oct 15, 2007, 07:56 AM // 07:56

please stop Age, it's hurting my brain a lot. ;_;

Stormlord Alex · Oct 15, 2007, 09:24 AM // 09:24

Oh, lay off guys...
Age has a point.
PvE monking IS hard.
My Healing Breeze keeps getting shattered.

Chthon · Oct 15, 2007, 02:37 PM // 14:37

Age has a point. Monking for a PUG can be one of the hardest monking experiences ever. You can't say that keeping the self-labeled MM -- who happens to have 0 minions but 3 sup runes -- alive while the warrior decides that 12 is the optimum number of lvl 28 shadow prison touchers to aggro and lead back into the squishies is an easy task... I'm not so sure about Age's other points, but that one has some merit.

JoeKnowMo · Oct 15, 2007, 04:38 PM // 16:38

SoD may still be alright in a 4-man group. But I can't see it getting much use in larger groups.

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Originally Posted by Stormlord Alex

Oh, lay off guys...
Age has a point.
PvE monking IS hard.
My Healing Breeze keeps getting shattered.

Because you forgot to cover it with mending. Noob!

Snow Bunny · Oct 15, 2007, 05:37 PM // 17:37

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Originally Posted by Chthon

Age has a point. Monking for a PUG can be one of the hardest monking experiences ever. You can't say that keeping the self-labeled MM -- who happens to have 0 minions but 3 sup runes -- alive while the warrior decides that 12 is the optimum number of lvl 28 shadow prison touchers to aggro and lead back into the squishies is an easy task... I'm not so sure about Age's other points, but that one has some merit.

So don't monk for a Pug.

SoD is better anti-spike than SoR.

I used to run SoR as anti-pressure in RA, but for other PvP I'd go with SoD for sure.